Interbeing
Interbeing is a podcast by MSB exploring what it means to lead, coach, and live in a deeply interconnected world. Hosted by Naomi Ward and Matt Hall, the show brings together educators, coaches, and thought leaders to reflect on the questions shaping international schools and beyond.
In this new season we return to the heart of our work: coaching as a way of being. Together we explore how presence, curiosity, and care can shift not just our conversations, but our cultures. Inspired by Thich Nhat Hanh’s teaching on “interbeing,” we recognise that nothing exists in isolation — every choice, every relationship, every pause matters.
Expect honest dialogue, stories from the field, and a commitment to learning in public. Not as answers, but as invitations to think differently about leadership, community, and the future of education.
You can find out more about Futures-Focused Leadership Coaching for International Schools and MSB at www.makingstuffbetter.com
Interbeing
Ep 17: A Look Back on Season 1
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall, Naomi Ward and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better sit down to look back on a successful first season of Principled.
They reflect on various lightbulb moments, including why belonging is not always a positive thing; the power of story, ritual and language; and why active listening is so important when trying to cultivate inclusive environments.
Thank you to everyone who has joined us on Season 1 of Principled. Stay tuned - we're not going anywhere.
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To get in touch with the team, you can find them online here:
Matt: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Gill: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
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For more information, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
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